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<div class="post">Evening all.<br><br>I have recently bought a Vladimir's model Graphite 2E kit from Neil at <a href="http://www.hyperflight.co.uk/" target="_blank">www.hyperflight.co.uk</a>,
I thought this would make a nice build thread, so here goes. I
ordered the kit because I have been hankering after a bigger electric
glider for a while now, and I had the money spare, so why not?!<br><br>The
Graphite 2E is a 3.1m, all moulded "electric hotliner" and should be a
very capable glider for pretty much all the types of flying I intend to
do. I have gone for the Glass layup for now, and this sports a
very nicely set of moulded components. Details of the
construction can be found on the Hyperflight website.
Interestingly, the fuselage is a kevlar moulding, so it will be perfect
for a 2.4GHz install <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"><br><br>The
kit arrived in very sturdy box, and had been packed very carefully to
avoid transit damage, so top marks to Neil for doing that! The
quality of the moulded parts, is simply outstanding. All the
surfaces a free from blemishes, and all the seams are nice and smooth,
even and neat. I chose a yellow kit with a red underside, and
wingtips, and it looks very smart. The wing is a 3 piece item, a
centre section that bolts to the fuselage and houses the bottom hinged
flaps (2 servos), and two wing tips that houses the bottom driven
ailerons. The control surfaces have very smart little carbon gap
seals too, which is nice. There are moulded in recesses for servo
covers, and carbon skin reinforcements moulded in to attach the servo
mounts to. Incidentally, I'll be using the little moulded servo
frames in the wing.<br><br>The wing parts are held together with a pair
of very sturdy looking solid carbon joiners, and the fit in the sockets
is nice and snug, with no apparent play at all. As I chose the
cross tail variant, the fin has a mounting system for an all moving
tail, which looks very well engineered. The pivot is nice and
stiff, and the control linkage is a neat little moulded carbon
affair. The rudder and AMT servos will fit in a opening in the
tail, which is also reinforced with carbon.<br><br>The front end of the
fuselage is a removable nose cone, and this is sized to fit a 600 sized
motor. It also has a neat carbon platform to mount the battery
pack(s) on, and a removable hatch to access the speed controller, and
motor (and most importantly, the final battery connection!). It
slots into the main fuselage, and is held in with a single 3mm
bolt. I'm intending to fit a Hacker B50 11L motor coupled to a
6.7:1 gearbox. It fits nicely in the nosecone, and just needs the
mounting plate drilling to suit. I'm not entirely sure on the
battery/prop combo yet, but the motor is going to be well suited to
around a 6s lipo setup, pulling around 60A or so. I'm aiming for
"adequate" power <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"><br><br>So
far, I am VERY impressed at this kit. The parts are of excellent
quality, and the accessories are of good quality, and seem to be very
complete too. That's it for now, here's some pictures to begin
with. I'll update the thread when I get a moment, but so far, the
wing install is nearly done <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"> If anyone wants to see any specific pictures, just shout!<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy</div>
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<div class="post">Hi folks,<br><br>I've
been on holiday for a week or so, so no real updates to speak of.
I've weighed most of the parts I will be using to get a feel for the
all up weight, and so I can start to spec the power system with a
little more confidence.<br><br>Fuselage = 195g<br>Nose cone = 95g<br>Horizontal Stabiliser (both halves weighed as one) = 70g<br>Wing tip panels (pair) = 450g<br>wing centre section = 630g<br>Servos (futaba s3150) = 25g each - 6 off = 150g<br>accessories (linkages, joiners, bolts etc) = 100g<br>Rx (Spektrum AR9000) = 15g<br>Hacker B50 11L motor plus 6.7:1 gearbox = 315g<br><br>So,
barring the wiring loom, batteries and rx power supply (or rx battery)
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(~4.5lb). so, allowing approximately 500g (~lb) for a flight
battery and wiring etc, and I should be looking at a 2.5kg all up
weight.<br><br>I'll be looking to run the motor on either a 6s or 9s
lipo pack (made up of 3s packs in series so I can use them in other
models!). I will then choose a prop that works with the hacker
motor to get the current level (and therefore input power) up to the
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terms of climb rate and speed, I shoul dbe aiming for in excess of
200w/lb, so that means I am looking at at least 1kw. On a 6s
pack, that equates to a current draw of around 52A (assuming a loaded
voltage of 3.2v per cell). On a 9s pack, that equates to around
35A, which is easily acheivable with 2100mAh rated cells....<br><br>I'll
try and get some pictures up of the progress later this week. In
the meantime, if anyone knows of a good supplier for big folding props
that can handle this sort of power level, I'm all ears!<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy</div>
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some more pictures of the wing install. I've used some rather
natty little servo frames from Modelmaniacs, which are designed to fit
the Futaba s3150 servos I am using. They are glued into the
wings, and allow the servos to be secured nice and tightly, but the
servos can be removed by undoing two screws.<br><br>They install really
easily, just roughen up the frame and inner wingskin they will be glued
to (wipe clean with an alcohol soaked cloth to remove dust/grease/oils
etc). Wrap the servo in a layer or two of clingfilm, and install
in mount. Then just epoxy the whole lot into the wing. I
used Zpoxy 30min with a few micro balloons mixed in. Once the
epoxy has cured, the servo can be removed, and the cling film removed,
and that is it, job done. The only things to be sure of, is that
the frame is in the right position, and that the screws are fully done
up (so epoxy doesn't get into the screw holes).<br><br>I have also made
a start on the wing wiring loom. This is using heavy duty twisted
cable (from Ashtek). The main wing/fuselage joint will be a 6 pin
MPX connector (power, ground and 4 signals). The flap servos
require about 14" of cable to the main connector, the outer panel
connectors need about 28" of cable, and the aileron servos to outer
panel connector need about 14" too.<br><br>I'm not entirely sure how to
connect the outer panels electrically. I am thinking that the 6
pin MPX plugs will suffice, but I am reluctant to glue these in place
(as with the main wing/fuse connector) in case I ever need to replace
the wiring/connector.... It would be nice to just have to plug
the outer panels in though.<br><br>Next up, I'll be installing the
wiring, then setting up the servo travels/centre points and sorting out
the control surface linkages..<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy<br><br></div>
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I've only just realised that the post before had no pictures attached
for some reason... Should be sorted now though!<br><br>Next up
was finishing the wing wiring loom, and cutting a hole for the
connector in the wing centre panel. I'm using the Multiplex 6 pin
connectors to join the wing wiring to the fuselage, and the same
connectors to connect the outboard panels to the centre panel.
Soldering the main connector was strightforward. I grouped all
the +ve connections at one end, the -ve at the other. The four
signal wires then use the middle pins. These connections were
given a good check (to make sure the soldered joint was sound) before
potting the lot in some epoxy/microballoons to act as a strain releif.<br><br>The
next job was to cut a hole in the centre of the wing panel to feed the
wiring through. The aperture does not need to be huge, so I cut a
20x10mm hole with rounded edges using a dremel and a half round
file. The rounded corners should help minimise any stress crack
appearing. The location of the cutout is aft of the spar (see
photo).<br><br>I will put a bit of heatshring tubing over the wires
where they are in contact with the wing surface, to minimise the risk
of chafing. With the wiring fed through the wing, the outer panel
connector was soldered in place (and potted as per the main connector)
and finally the outboard panel connector soldered in place too.<br><br>All the connectors have been left "floating" mainly so that the wiring loom can easily be replaced if required.<br><br>The
next step I shall tackle, is installing the servos in the main
fuselage, and then installing the receiver, along with the wiring to
the wing connector. That will allow me to install the wing
servos, setup the correct centrepoints and endpoints using my radio,
and then install the control surface linkages/fairings.<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy</div>
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too! Fingers crossed it will be ready for a maiden at the aerotow
this weekend. It probably won't be at full power (not ordered the
packs yet), but I'm sure it will fly on the packs I already have, just
not as much climb as I have got planned!<br><br>I've been having a
ponder this morning on the way in to work, about the receiver
install. I'm going to be using a Spektrum Ar9000 with two
remotes. The main recevier is going in the fuselage, just aft of
the wing seat. one, or possibly two of the remote receivers are
going in the wing centre panel, just outboard of the flap servos.
I can't decide whether it would be worth popping one of the remotes in
the tail, and do my best to keep it clear of the AMT linkage though.<br><br>Maybe I should do both, and see what performs the best?! <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"><br><br>Cheers<br>Andy</div>
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<div class="post">Here's another update, with some more jobs completed.<br><br>I
have been installing the horns in the wing control surfaces.
These are little threaded brass rods, with a cross drilled hole in
them. The control surfaces seem to have metal inserts already in
place, which is nice. So all that was required was to screw them
in with a dab of epoxy on there to make sure they stay put, and don't
move around at all. It should be easy enough to unscrew them if
needs be.<br><br>With them in place, it was just a simple matter of
making the control linkages. The kit came with some M2.5
clevises, which I have used, as they seem to be very good quality, and
fit perfectly. There were also some small threaded rods to use as
well. The flap and aileron servos have had some horns trimmed
down to suit, and I settled on using the large 4 armed horns that came
with the Futaba S3150 servos. These were trimmed down to just one
arm, and the length trimmed to suit too. On the flaps I am using
the innermost hole, and on the ailerons, the second one out.<br><br>The
aileron linkage was nice and simple, just a slight kink to ensure I can
use 100% of the servo throw, with no binding. I am intending to
run the aileron servos with the neutral point at 15% from the centre,
to ensure I get the throws required (i.e. much more up than
down). You can see the actual values on the images.<br><br>The
flap linkage, however, was a right royal pain in the ar$�. I'm
not sure if this is normal for top driven control surfaces, but getting
the linkage geometry right is proving to be difficult. The Kit
already has a recess cut in the sub spar to clear the control linkage,
but even so, the control rod needs some sharp bends in to clear it
properly. I spent an hour or so trying to get the bends right so
they didn't fould anything over the full range of travel, and I think I
have something that is nearly there now. However, I am only able
to use about 70% of the servo travel, without it binding on the servo
output arm.<br><br>I did try a slightly more agressive bend, and
snapped the supplied bit of m2.5 threaded rod. MOdelfixings is
shut for their summer break, so I need to find some more to have
another go now <img src="build%20log_files/sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0"> I may be forced to thread some plain rod, if I can find any the right size at work tomorrow...<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy</div>
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<div class="post">Evening all.<br><br>I've
done a bit more work on the Graphite, and it is really starting to take
shape now. I'm still really impressed at the quality of this kit
too! So far I only have a couple of things that are not quite
perfect, but I'll save them until the end <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"><br><br>I
spent a fair bit of time perfecting the flap linkages, and with a bit
of help from the guys on this forum, I now have a flap that can attain
the 6-7mm up required, and almost 80� down travel, using the full range
of servo movement. It did require the grinding of the clevis
keeper back a bit to clear the horn at full travel, but it works a
treat! The best bit is that I have managed to end up with around
0.5mm of play with a bit of load on the flaps and ailerons.
Apparently this is pretty good <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0">
All the servos were set up to get the linakes and travel as close to
equal mechanically. Some minor subtrim will be required as always
though, hopefully it will be minimal though.<br><br>I've masking taped
the servo covers in place, after trimming them to size and sanding the
edges to remove roughness. The flap servo covers have a moulded
in bump, which is not really needed, as I have managed to install the
linkage within the wing entirely. This is probably only possible
because I used quite thin servos (S3150). Annoyingly the covers
provided for the flap linkage exit on the top surface of the wing, are
coloured red. The wing surface is yellow, so I think a bit of
spray paint should sort that out <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"><br><br>I've
also done a bit more wiring, making up the harness to link the receiver
to the wing connector. This is long enough to allow the receiver
to positioned well forward, or aft of the wing connector, depending on
the final positions of the equipment. I'm probably going to
install it (the receiver) aft of the wing seat, to provide maximum room
for the battery packs. The othe bit of wiring I have done, is
make up a pair of extension leads for the tail servos. These are
around 36" long, and are held in the boom using a couple of EPP foam
plugs that are slit for the wiring to slot into, and then pushed down
the boom.<br><br>More pictures in the next post <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"><br><br>Cheers<br>Andy<br><br></div>
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only jobs left to do on the wing now, is to tape the servo covers on
and paint the upper flap linkage covers yellow to match the wing.
I'm waiting for some Diamond tape for the taping, and I need to pop
into Halfrauds tomorrow to pick up some yellow paint.<br><br>In the
meantime, I have installed the servos and linkages in the tail.
Unfortunately due to space constraints, it is not possible to use the
neat little servo frames in the tail, as there is just not enough room
when using the Futaba S3150 servos. This means I have had to
install the servos by wrapping them in heatshrink tubing, roughing them
up a little with sandpaper and epoxying them in position. That
means they can be removed with a little effort, but should be held in
place nice and securely.<br><br>The layout of the servos is quite
straightforward, but the linkages are a little tricky to get to.
The pictures show everything here, inlcuding the moulded carbon horn
type thingy that actuates the all moving tail. Carefully setting
up the linkage results in the maximum movement of the AMT, using the
full range of servo travel. You can see the heatshrink applied to
the servo, and how it has been roughed up before glueing in the correct
place. It is important to give the servos a good 20 minute bench
run in before gluing them in a model too!<br><br>The rudder servo was
also installed, in much the same way. The linkage is a little
awkward, becuase it is not really accessible once the servo is glued
in. Not ideal, but it should work okay. There is actually very
little play in both these tail servo linkages though, which should help
alleviate the risk of flutter at high speed.<br><br>The tail servo bay
cover is a nicely moulded carbon job, and the bulge fits over the
elevator control arm. It looks quite nice, although I think I
would prefer it coloured the same as the fuselage. Maybe the
spray paint will sort that out though <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"><br><br>The
next job is the get the motor and ESC installed in the nose. I
need to make a drilling template to suit the Hacker motor and
gearbox. The nosecone has a fibreglass mounting plate, so I'll
print off a template and cut it out using a dremel.<br><br>That's it for now, more tomorrow I think <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"><br><br>Cheers<br>Andy<br><br></div>
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<div class="post">Evening folks.<br><br>I've
spent a couple of hours today sorting out the motor mounting
arrangements. This required four M3 clearance holes cutting on a
25mm PCD to suit the Hacker motor and gearbox, and the centre hole
opening out to 17.5mm diameter. To do this accurately, I drew a
template up in Solidworks, and printed it out, This was then cut
out, and glued to the motor mounting plate using some pva glue.<br><br>It
was then a simple job to drill some pilot holes, followed by opening
the holes out using a 3mm drill (cutting holes in fibreglass using
standard drillbits tend to give slightly oversize holes, perfect for
clearance holes!), and finally routing the centre hole out using a
dremel and a routing bit.<br><br>These holes were then deburred, and
checked for the correct size, before applying a smear of thin CA to the
edges to seal them, and prevent splits etc. The motor needed some
connectors putting on it, so I soldered some 3.5mm gold bullet
connectors to it. This will allow easy changes of either the
motor or the ESC. I did wonder if 3.5mm gold connectors would be
man enough for a powerful setup, we'll have to see how they go though.<br><br>The
motor was installed using some M3x8mm stainless socket head screws and
washers. I need to put a dab of threadlock on these to make sure
they don't vibrate loose, but I have run out of the tamiya type stuff I
prefer to use in this sort of situation (i.e. externally). The
motor fits nicely, but popping the spinner (38mm aeronaut one) on
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gearbox output shaft to remedy this.<br><br>You can see from the
picture that there is bags of room in the nose cone, even with a big
motor, gearbox and ESC (Phoenix 80 at the moment). It is going to
be a tight sequeeze getting a decent sized pack in the nose
cone/fuselage, but it should be ideal for a number of smaller packs.<br><br>The
other thing I have done is installed the two Spektrum remote receivers
(well, JR ones) in the wing. No photos for this, as it is
incredibly difficult to get pictures inside the wing. They are
mounted just outboard of the Flap servos (using double sided foam
tape), and have extension leads running to the hole in the centre of
the centre wing panel. This is then terminated in a 6 pin
multiplex plug, and there is a socket on the fuselage side too.
All pretty simple stuff really, and as the wing is glass fibre,
it should work a treat.<br><br>The only jobs left now, are to install
the Rx, and sort out whether I can use my existing 3s 2100mAh packs
connected in series, or whether I need to invest in some more, slightly
bigger packs! I also need to decide how to power the receiver and
servos. AS I have 6 digital servos on board, I don't want to
underspec the power supply, so I am thinking that a couple of BECs in
parallel might do the trick at the moment, taking power from the main
pack.<br><br>Before I decide though, I'm going to assemble airframe
fully, and see where the CG is at. As the motor is on the large
side, I have a feeling it may turn out to be a bit nose heavy, in which
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<div class="post"><div class="quoteheader"><a href="http://www.rcmf.co.uk/4um/index.php/topic,62745.msg621709.html#msg621709">Quote from: Andy Sayle on August 19, 2008, 23:52:</a></div><div class="quote">..., so I am thinking that a couple of BECs in parallel might do the trick at the moment, taking power from the main pack.....<br></div>Manufacturing
tolerances mean it is unlikely that 2 BECs would be exactly the same
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There have also been questions raised about the reliability of using
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<div class="post">Right,
having done a few tests this afternoon, and heard from various people,
it seems the Futaba S3150 servos pull less than 1A when stalled at
5v. That means a CC-BEC running off a 3s pack will power the
radio gear nicely (rated up to 7A continuous apparently!). I've
just ordered a couple anyway.<br><br>As the weather wasn't too bad when
I got in from a flying session this afternoon (been sloping on the
Orme, fantastic!), I assembled the Graphite in the back garden.
It is surprising how a 3m glider eats up the space in the back
garden! Everything went together easily, the wingjoiners being a
nice snug fit. I'll probably give them a few coats of wax polish,
just to max sure they don't stick at all.<br><br>The Centre of gravity
(with no batteries, rx or prop onboard) is around 25mm behind the
recommended position of 110mm from the leading edge. Once the
receiver is installed, and the spinner/prop is installed, it is still
going to be in this position, so I think a heavy battery pack is going
to require a bit of tail weight unfortunately. I may look at
swapping the Hacker B50 11L motor for one of the B50 s types, to save a
couple of ounces in the nose. This would mean a slightly lower
power handling capability, but loooking at the specs, it shouldn't be
too much of an issue.<br><br>The all up weight (minus rx, prop and batteries) is currently coming in at 2116g and that is made up of:<br><br>Wing centre panel - 704g<br>Wing tip panels - left - 298g, right - 295g total - 593g (inc wing joiners)<br>Horizontal stabiliser (both halves) - 56g<br>Fuselage (including nose cone) - 749g<br><br>So
the weight has crept up a bit, but not much. That is not far of
my estimate, and not bad considering I have used heavy duty wiring
everywhere.<br><br>The other thing I have done tonight, is fit all the
servo covers and linkage shrouds. Dead easy with a roll of
diamond tape, a sharp pair of scissors, and some alcohol to degrease
the surfaces. It is a bit difficult to take a picture of diamond
tape though, as it is so clear! The only tricky bit, was trimming
the flap linkage shrouds that are fitted to the wing upper
surface. Nothing a bit of sanding couldn't sort out though!
Oh, the other thing I did, was to put a layer of diamond tape down on
the wing seat. This is just to try and minimise any scratching in
that area. I'm not sure if it will be worthwhile or not, but
we'll see.<br><br>The next job is to get the receiver fitted, and the
motor test run, to see how much juice it needs for the various props I
have. After that it is just a case of decide on the battery
configuration, wire in the CC-Bec, and juggle things around to get the
CG right. Not far to go now!<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy<br></div>
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<div class="post">HI folks.<br><br>Just
been doing a quick few power tests, to see what sort of current the
motor takes. On a 16x10 Aeronaut folding prop, and a 3s lipo, it
was only pulling around 14 amps (163 watts). On a 5s pack, this
went up a fair bit to 32 amps ( 620 watts).<br><br>I didn't have a
charged 6s pack to test, but I think it is going to be in the region of
40 amps or so, and around 750-800 watts. This should be pleeeenty
to begin with, and just about on the limit for the 2100mAh cells I
have already. This should help keep the weight down (a 6s,
2100mAh pack is going to come in at around 400g) too. Stepping up
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<div class="post">WEll,
it's ready for a maiden! The power system has been tested on the
bench with a 6s 2150mAh pack (made up of two 3s packs in series), and a
16x10" prop. This is pulling a shade over 800Watts at around
about 40 amps or so. It is pushing the batteries quite hard, but
it should be okay for short bursts of power to get to height. The
batteries result in a CG that is a little bit further forward than the
manual states (manual says 108-112mm back fromt he Leading edge, I
currently have it set at 102mm back). As the motor is not
particularly stressed running at 800Watts, I may look at dropping down
to a short can B50 to save a couple of ounces in the nose. We'll
see what the flight performance is like first though!<br><br>I've been
setting my transmitter up too, and now have everything running nice and
smoothly. I can reflex the flaps slighty for speed, and drop them
a few degrees for thermalling on one slider, and on another slider I
have some rather natty crow brakes programmed in for the landing too...<br><br>I'm off to the field in a bit to get some assembled shots, do some range tests, and see how it flies!<br><br>Pictures (and maybe a video!) later...<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy</div>
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surprised by the amount of work you had to do on the plane. especially
cutting into the panel for the wiring loom etc. and installing horns
and what. I would usually expect these things to be much simpler
or already done at this price range.<br><br>do you have a pure gliding
fuse as well? I would have use a D sub type connector on the
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nicely too! I now have a new favourite plane, and I honestly
can't remember being this pleased with a model plane since I managed my
first "crash free" flight of an electric Zagi when I was learning to
fly! <br><br>The take off was a non event really, the power
available made it a doddle. The climbout was nice and, er,
vertical, and it seemed to impress everyone watching so that must be a
good thing! I have no idea how much height I was getting from a
10 second motor burn, but it was good for around 3 min of gliding
before losing about half the original altitude. I'll have to get
the altimeter wired up to see whats going on.<br><br>I was surprised at
how quickly it covered ground when cruising around, but no where near
as surprised at how well the Graphite slowed up when I dropped the
flaps by about 10mm or so! I think when I get the full span
camber control set up correctly, it is going to be brilliant at hanging
around in areas of lift, but speed up nicely to cover ground when
required. There was a small pitching up moment with flaps, so a
bit of mixing will be needed there.<br><br>Crow brakes were good,
although I was getting a fairly big pitch up when the flaps start to
drop past around 40�. The roll was quite barrelly too, so a bit
more differential might be needed I think.<br><br>The forward centre of
gravity seemed to have no huge effect on the performance when the right
way up, so I think I'll leave it where it is for now. Inverted
flight needed a smallish amount of up, so perhaps it can come back as
per the instructions?? Something to play around with methinks!<br><br>I
managed to squeeze my datalogger in the nose too, which revealed some
interesting readings of the maiden flight (see attached pic).
Maximum power a shade over 1kW with freshly charged batteries, and a 20
minute flight taking around 1200mAh out of the packs. As there
was naff all lift around, and I was "exploring the performance
envelope" somewhat, I expect 45 minute flights with no lift around
should be the order of the day! Add a bit of thermal activity in,
and the flights should be as long as I can look up for!<br><br>All in
all, I'm well pleased! Slightly less pleased with my camera
batteries lasting less than 20 minutes though, meaning no pictures, and
no video as yet... Maybe tomorrow!<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy</div>
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<div class="post"><div class="quoteheader"><a href="http://www.rcmf.co.uk/4um/index.php/topic,62745.msg633644.html#msg633644">Quote from: milquetoast on September 13, 2008, 16:33:</a></div><div class="quote">good
luck with the maiden. Looks like a nice plane. I'm rather
surprised by the amount of work you had to do on the plane. especially
cutting into the panel for the wiring loom etc. and installing horns
and what. I would usually expect these things to be much simpler
or already done at this price range.<br><br>do you have a pure gliding
fuse as well? I would have use a D sub type connector on the
centre of the wing for auto-mating. Can be a bit of a fiddle when the
wing is trying to fly away when it's windy. <br><br><br></div><br>There
was a fair bit of work yes, although nothing too taxing. As it is
my first big mouldy, I was actually impressed at the level of
prefabrication. I suppose it would be nice if it was already done
for you, but it is nice to have the choice on how to arrange things
yourself. The wing plugs could have been arranged to
automatically mate when bolting them on, but I didn't for this
build. I may re-wire it over the winter though to make room for
more cells/camera in the fuselage though.<br><br>I didn't get the pure
gliding fuselage, although that might change in the nearish
future! That said, I may splash out on a dedicated mouldy for
pure gliding, we'll see how much of a bonus I get this year! I
quite like the look of the Supra for a pure glider....<br><br>Cheers!<br>Andy<br><br></div>
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<div class="post">well,
all's well that ends well. Should be a great model. good all
rounder with that wing. especially if you do the glider fuse.
plenty of ballast and you'll be up the orme tearing it up. get
her on the slope with some lead in and really see what that wing can
produce. <br><br>funny how that pitch up happens eh? You
probably need cactus et al to tell you how to set it up (even though
they've never flown anything like it).<br><br>yes the supra. Good
old Neil has worked his charms on your credit card. as a pure
glider the supra is pretty light. then i am talking from a slopers
perspective - it's not a model i would buy for that reason if i already
had a graphite. they are nice though. I've had a look at a
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can I say? The models are really nice, the service is brilliant,
the prices are pretty good, what more can you ask for in a model
supplier?<br><br>I do intend to take the Graphite up the Orme, once I
have the transmitter setup to my liking. I need to figure out my
preferred way of controlling the full TE camber/reflex setting, and the
Crow braking setting too. Once I have that sussed, and the
compensation mixes sorted too, it's up the Orme we go! I reckon a
pure glider would lose around 750 grams or so compared to the Electric
version, so would that count as sufficient ballast? <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"> <img src="build%20log_files/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0"> I may even be persuaded to take the prop blades off, so I don't get accused of cheating!<br><br>Actually,
the next model I buy will be something in the 1.5-2m class, 4 servo
wing, electric fuselage available, and capable of handling 200w/lb or
so for some proper hotliner action! I need something to replace
my way overpowered Filip400 that bit the dust the other weekend.<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy</div>
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<div class="post">Hey folks,<br><br>I've
had another hours worth of air time with the Graphite 2E today, this
time with an altimeter sensor onboard too! The weather conditions
yesterday were almost perfect (no wind, nice and warm with plenty of
small lift bubbles around), whereas today, there was a 15mph breeze
with naff all lift. Despite the breeze, the Graphite penetrates
very well, and with a bit of flap, it sort of hangs in the air, which
is brilliant for picking up the odd bit of lift passing through.<br><br>Landing
was a bit tricky though, mainly because of low level turbulence.
It caught me out on one occasion, and I now have a slight dent in the
leading edge of the centre wing panel, about 5mm wide, where The
landing approach was cut short. As luck would have it, I managed
to slide in, stopping by hitting an electric fence post that was lying
on the ground. Nothing serious, just annoying cosmetic damage <img src="build%20log_files/sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0"><br><br>Looking
at the altimeter plot (ignore the big upward spikes, must be noise or
something), you can see the climbs are nice and brisk, and I even
managed to pick up a bit of lift to get a 12 minute glide from a 15.75
second motor burn. The same motor burn was averaging around 775
watts (input), and resulted in a 13.2m/s climb rate, topping out at
209m. In old money that is a 2600 feet per minute climbrate,
which is alright I suppose, especially when it is straight up!<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy<br><br><br><br><br></div>
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